I’m going to write the article I wish I’d been able to find when I was taking methadone for chronic pain. The degree of detail will probably make it of little interest except to those using methadone or considering it. (This is not a discussion of pain that results from a terminal disease, or from a disease that is temporary but severe, like pancreatitis. In such cases, opioids may be the best or only choice, and you are entitled to relief.)
I began taking morphine, and then methadone, for pain in 1997 because of crippling muscle-spasm-like pain, every day, from a long-untreated back injury. The injury had occurred in 1981; the orthopedists couldn’t see anything on x-rays, intimated that I was a malingerer, and wrote me off. Constant pain and disturbed sleep probably triggered the fibromyalgia that began to develop after a few years; by 1996 I was unable to work even part-time because of the deep fatigue of the fibromyalgia, its all-over body pain, and the back pain. At that point something had to change.
After finding no medical help in my area I found a pain doctor in another state and went to see him. He could see disc damage on an x-ray, and showed it to me. This is not particularly definitive: pain often exists without visible disk or vertebral damage, and visible damage often occurs in people who report no pain. But this doctor could see my pain in my face and how I moved, and that seemed to be the clincher for him regardless of how the x-ray turned out.
He put me on morphine and made an appointment for me to come back for a lumbar nerve block. This would only last 3-6 months but during that time the muscles that had been clenched with pain for 16 years could gradually unclench and be exercised. The nerve block worked exactly as planned, and I exercised consistently and was able to be more active. As far as back pain goes, I haven’t had a day since which was as bad as any hour in the previous years.
But the fibromyalgia pain remained. It’s felt all through the body: the pain threshold is reduced so much that light pressure feels like pain, a pat can be like a slap, and it hurts to lie in bed, sit, walk, lean against a wall. Extra pain is felt for days or weeks in muscles that get used even a little. As a result I wanted to stay on the morphine pills, thinking that it probably helped.
I couldn’t afford to keep traveling to see the out-of-state doctor so I looked around for a local pain doc and this time I found one. He switched me to methadone when the morphine became less effective. The methadone’s effect, too, became less over time.
Lesson #1: opioid effectiveness lessens as the body becomes accustomed to it. Opioids are not, therefore, a very good approach to chronic pain.
I think this second doctor was hoping I’d want another lumbar nerve block, a more profitable therapy than simply seeing somebody every couple of months for a prescription renewal. As it became clear that continuing exercise was keeping my back pain under control, he stopped inquiring after it, and began to treat me rather brusquely. I was still under the impression that the methadone might be lessening the fibromyalgia pain so I wanted to continue it, but I was feeling more pain, not less. The doctor raised the dose somewhat; he (rightly) resisted my efforts to raise it more, but never discussed any other pain relief measures with me. Gradually I became aware that while I was physically dependent upon the methadone, enduring the side effects and the 6 doctor visits a year, I was receiving diminished benefits or maybe no benefit at all.
Addiction and chronic pain
Here a word about “addiction’’ and “physical dependence”. During the time I took methadone, I have seen a total change in how the medical establishment thinks about addiction and pain patients (though not all members of it have made this change). In a nutshell, addiction is now the term for someone who is both psychologically and physically dependent on a drug. Pain patients rarely fit this definition: they rarely get any “high” from morphine, methadone, codeine, oxycodone, etc. and they don’t start taking it because of a psychological need to feel “different”. However, the physical dependence will cause the same withdrawal symptoms for the pain patient as for the addict, and constitutes a severe barrier to anyone trying (as I did) to get off of methadone without the support of a knowledgeable doctor.
Doctor or pusher, patient or customer?
Why was I trying this without help from my pain doctor? Because he refused to help, denied that there were any pharmaceutical aids for getting through withdrawal, and ignored my reports of having gone through painful withdrawal five times and failed every time.
One of the realities about being dependent upon a pain medication is that you are then dependent upon your doctor. Don’t like him? Not sure you are getting the best treatment? Better not change or you may be viewed as a “doctor shopper” and drug seeker. Of course you’re seeking drugs––that is what the medical establishment has offered you––but the hysteria from the war on drugs, another one of those “long wars,” has infected the practice of medicine with fear and prejudice. Why fear? The DEA, or state licensing boards, occasionally pounce upon pain doctors for prescribing opioids to too many people, or in cases of accidental overdoses. Doctors can lose their licenses, be pilloried in the media, even be charged with responsibility for someone’s death.
So the situation can easily become much like that of a drug dealer and his customers: the doctor/dealer (skeptical of your professed pain) has contempt for you, or is on guard watching for signs of scamming but is obliged to treat you and perhaps wants your money, while you come to loathe him but tailor your every word and expression to avoid getting cut off. I hope that most doctors do not fit this description. But the patients, who are locked into a relationship with wildly disparate power on the doctor’s side, must inevitably come to an uneasy awareness that their wellbeing depends on a “controlled substance” which is entirely controlled by the doctor, and which carries a public stigma of association with being a junkie, a weakling, a fraud, or all three. This is not like knowing you depend on your physician for your insulin prescription or your heart medication. A diabetic or heart patient is never suspected of getting medication for personal pleasure, or in order to sell it to schoolchildren.
When I first visited the callous pain doctor, who “treated” me for ten years, I was required to sign a form. He described it as a contract but all the obligations were on my side. I had to agree that I was aware of undesirable effects from opioids including dependency, and that if I lost a prescription or a month’s worth of pills I would not expect the doctor to write a replacement prescription. The importance of this latter provision is not one that can be understood by the patient until later. Once you’ve become dependent upon opioids, and experienced even mild withdrawal because you’ve forgotten a pill or been a few hours late, you realize in a different way what it would mean to lose a prescription and be without the drug for a month. Each month’s prescription form had to be picked up by me personally rather than faxed to the pharmacy or renewed by telephone (state law I believe, although the out-of-state doctor’s prescriptions had been mailed or faxed to my home-town pharmacy), meaning that I made about 120 trips of an hour or more each way, not counting stopping and waiting at the pharmacy on the way home. That’s 120 opportunities to have my wallet stolen, or lose it, or to get in a wreck in which the all-important piece of paper might be destroyed. In such a case, maybe my oh-so-compassionate doctor would have believed me and replaced the prescription that was in my stolen wallet, but the withdrawal is so severe that you feel such a risk is unacceptable. And you cannot avoid this consciousness of risk, it’s inherent in the dependency, and so there is constant anxiety, insecurity.
All medical conditions with unknown mechanism of action (such as fibromyalgia), or with no objective tests to demonstrate their reality and severity, are considered suspect both by the public and by some of the medical community. Psychiatric conditions such as schizophrenia and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder have for decades been discounted or blamed on some form of willful failure to suck it up and get on with your life. Any pain not associated with a known visible verifiable medical condition is also likely to be dismissed. Those medical practitioners who dismiss your pain also dismiss you. The more you seek help from them for this sort of pain, the less credible you are, the less seriously you are taken, until finally you may be seen as merely a stereotype: hysterical woman, somatizing patient with imaginary self-serving pain, seeker of drugs and disability.
For these reasons and others (such as fearing he’d simply cut me off, or reduce my dose and ignore any increase in pain), I never pressed my pain doctor about helping me to quit methadone until the last year or so. For his part, he demonstrated to me via a custom-mixed liquid containing dissolved methadone, of a strength unknown to me, that…what exactly did he demonstrate? After a month I came back and said my pain was worse; he said, “But the dose in the liquid was higher than you had been taking in pills.” Therefore the methadone doesn’t help your fm pain (and, implied, maybe you’re faking the whole thing). I quibble with this methodology but I was ready to accept his point and it was after that event that I made my longest most serious attempt to get off of methadone.
Over five months I cut the dose gradually (unknown to him: another result of the doctor/pusher fear-relationship is that the patient hoards medication––you’d be a fool not to––so why let him know I’d reduced the dose?) until for two months I took only a crumb twice a day, then once a day. Then I stopped altogether. The first day was okay; I’d been having various withdrawal symptoms for months anyway. But then it got worse, much much worse. For the next seven days I slept not at all. I quit even going to bed, just sat in the living room reading or surfed the web. After the first few nights my fatigue was so bad I couldn’t read, I just sat, or walked around. Nights were endless. My body was often wracked with bone pain, as if every bone were being crushed. My mind was flighty and ungovernable, my guts were gnawing as if I were starving. The methadone was right there in the bathroom but I persisted for seven days. On the eighth day I realized that 1) my symptoms were not lessening in any way, and 2) I couldn’t take another night without sleep. Within three hours of taking one of the hated white pills I was in bed asleep; the next day I felt almost normal.
The next time I saw the pain doctor I told him I’d done this and failed, and asked him how he might be able to help. Was there no sleeping medication, no tranquilizer or other drug that could be used temporarily to blunt the withdrawal? “No, there’s no magic pill,” said he. I felt like a demanding child who had asked for fairy dust to fix her boo-boo. When I pressed him, reiterating the symptoms, he said they were merely psychological.
Maybe I need a new doctor
Now I felt some solid ground under me. Research on methadone withdrawal had not yielded me much but I had found out what some of the symptoms were, and mine were common. This guy was wrong, and I had hope of finding someone who knew better. I tried my primary care physician; she told me that my symptoms were psychological. Just like him, she said that I could not possibly have had symptoms for seven days, because “even heroin is completely out of your system in 3 or 4 days.” She used the same exact phraseology as the pain doctor, whose office was in the building next door. Right, I thought. I’ve been seeing this woman for eight years and she parrots someone else’s words, not trusting my report of what I experienced. My pharmacist was more well-informed and confirmed what I’d experienced, giving me a few leads on alternatives.
The pusher drops the hammer on me
I dithered around for a few months, hesitant to step off into the unknown of a new doctor. Then came the day when my pain doc informed me blandly that he was “no longer comfortable prescribing methadone” for me since my pain was mostly fibromyalgia. His plan was to phase me off over the next two months. Sixty to zero (milligrams), zoom. I tried to be calm and asked “What about the withdrawal? I told you that it was intolerable, how are we going to get me through that?” “Those symptoms were merely psychological; it’s up to you to deal with them.” He was adamant. I was panicked. Abandoning calm, I asked him what he was going to do when I ended up in the ER. He ignored me. That was the last time I saw him. But I do hope he is comfortable.
It was the psychiatrist that I see (because fm has limited my life so much that eventually I became pretty depressed) who really came through for me. When I told this kind man about the two-month ultimatum, he took me seriously––he actually knew about the symptoms of withdrawal––and went online to research the matter further. In a physicians-only discussion group he contacted a pain doctor experienced in managing methadone withdrawal who confirmed my experience and spoke of alternatives. The phrase “managing methadone withdrawal” was like water in the desert. My psychiatrist recommended a different local pain doctor and I went to see him.
The new pain doc allayed my fears immediately. Yes, the symptoms I’d had were common. Yes, they were awful. Methadone, he said, is a synthetic opioid and it gets into the body more persistently than heroin; it can even be stored in the bone marrow, probably causing that unbearable bone pain I’d had. But there were ways to minimize the symptoms, there were choices, and he was sure we could get me through it.
Lesson #2: There are caring and knowledgeable pain doctors out there but you will have to know what you are looking for, and work to find them. Make a list of questions to ask people who recommend a doctor, and to ask doctors themselves.
From my experience, obvious questions for a prospective doctor would be:
What are the short- and long-term health consequences of the drugs you may prescribe? What different conditions may be contributing to my pain, and for each, how effective are the drugs you are prescribing? If and when I need to go off of opioids, how will you help me? How much experience do you have in this end of the process?And ask yourself if you are willing to hand over so much control of your life, to this individual and this drug. I don’t travel much, but every time I did I worried about losing my methadone, or having it confiscated by airport security. Once when I travelled out of the US, to Chile, I was so concerned I got the pain doc to write me a letter verifying that I was authorized to have this controlled substance, this narcotic, so that I could feel less likely to end up in a foreign jail or have the medication taken away.
The first day I saw the new doctor, October 5, was the last day I took methadone. Surprisingly, he put me on morphine, a lower dose than the methadone, because it would moderate the withdrawal from the methadone and be easier to quit. (According to him, heroin and methamphetamine are also easier to quit than methadone.) And he prescribed sleep medication. He told me to call if things got too tough and he would adjust the treatment to work better.
The first two weeks were the worst; I was weak as a kitten and slept 18 hours a day without sleeping pills. After that, my strength gradually came back, and I began sleeping just at night (with the sleeping pills). I had some physical symptoms such as endless gnawing in my stomach, and constant sinus headaches and earaches, but after the first two weeks my mind and psyche began to feel completely different, as if I were coming out of a ten-year tunnel. My husband remarked on it: I was more talkative, personable, cheerful, confident. He felt he was seeing a person who had been gone for ten years. So did I.
Lesson #3: methadone does a lot more to you than just causing constipation, sweating, and sedation.
The amount of morphine was cut each month, and withdrawal symptoms lessened. On Feb. 5 the morphine ended––an anticlimax, no real difference!
I still have the sinus headaches, milder now, but if they never go away I am still so much better off that it’s hard to believe.
Life after methadone
I’m glad to see the well-known methadone side-effects go, of course; my attacks of sweating used to be so bad, even when I was sitting still, that my hair would be drenched, and outside activity would cause sweating so heavy that I would feel faint. This is much improved now, though still not normal. Then there’s constipation, which sounds like a minor thing, but when I had a colonoscopy I was told that I was at risk of getting diverticulosis because of the methadone-induced constipation.
As for sedation, at one point early on my old pain doctor put me on dextroamphetamine because I was too sleepy to do anything. It was easy to see why the amphetamines are so popular; I felt wonderfully energetic, smart, lost weight…but not a good long range life plan. Without the amphetamine the methadone caused fatigue on top of that caused by fibromyalgia.
And my old pain doctor had told me once, in an offhand manner after I asked about periods of breathlessness, that longterm methadone use could cause heart problems, but not mild ones like breathlessness. “How would I know if this was occurring?” I asked him. “You wouldn’t,” he said, “you’d just have a life-threatening episode of heart failure.”
But it was the completely unexpected and, as far as I can tell, undocumented changes that really have made life different. Chief among these are the psychological changes that I described above. I’m more outgoing, more able to engage in activities with small groups of people (though––typical of fibromyalgia––crowded places/noise/smoke/bright lights make me exhausted very quickly, so I avoid them). My depression used to edge back despite anti-depressants, but that has not happened in the three months since I went opioid-free. I feel more pleasure in life. Both my attitude and my energy are improved.
While taking methadone I must have dreamed at night, but remembered dreams perhaps once or twice a year. That made me feel cut off from a part of myself, and I am pleased that now I’m remembering dreams a few times a month.
Physically also there were unexpected results. I no longer eat between meals, feel no interest in doing so. If my stomach growls I am not seized by uncontrollable impulses to eat something. And what I eat has changed. Always a chocolate lover, I’d worked up to 1 or 2 candy bars every afternoon while taking methadone; the pull was almost irresistible, and the pleasure though short-lived seemed like something I could not give up. Now, the candy bars from last October are in a box in the pantry; in six months I’ve eaten one, and in the middle realized it was really not all that great. We got a box of See’s candy after Christmas and I enjoyed it a lot, but I can take it or leave it. The opioids are notorious for giving junkies a sweet tooth, so maybe I should have anticipated that my chocolate craving would go away. But it’s worth noting that the craving vanished during the first month off methadone, while I was still taking morphine.
Here’s one that seems very much out in left field: for years my vaginal tissues have been extremely tender and painful, even bleeding, and my gynecologist had concluded it was just post-menopausal stuff. I declined full-on hormone replacement therapy and nothing else we tried helped. Two or three months off methadone, and this began to change. No, I cannot see any causal connexion either, but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t one. It’s not psychosomatic, because I never thought about it as something that might be related to methadone. I mention this––even though I am not really comfortable discussing such matters in public––because I’ve never seen this in any list of methadone effects, and no woman would ever think to associate the two.
My reason for this post is to get more open discussion of all these issues related to chronic pain management so that others will have better information, feel less stigma about pain and opioid use, and make better decisions. I was ignorant, felt helpless and trapped, and let the matter go on for far too long; nothing can give me those years back.
Before you try opioids for chronic pain
Consider all these factors carefully before you embark on long-term use of methadone, morphine, codeine, oxycodone, and so on: Efficacy will lessen over time. Side effects, including ones you never expected and may not attribute to the drug, will increase. Dependency comes with the drug, including dependence upon the prescriber.
Educate yourself about your condition and any proposed drug. Choose your provider very carefully. Try other pain-relieving or pain-distracting methods: at any dose you can live with, opioids don’t entirely relieve pain, so you may as well look for another source of partial relief that is adequate without all the baggage of the opioids. Look for a way to feel a sense of some control over your pain: find out what aggravates it and what distracts you from it.
Don’t be too skeptical to try things like warm-water exercise or swimming, resting with your favorite music, or finding a hobby or interest that distracts you and brings you into the “flow” mental experience described by Mihaly Csikszentmihaly (whose books (see footnote 1) are a lot easier to read than his name is to spell!). “Flow” is that mental and emotional state of being so involved in a positive activity that time passes without notice. Its requirements are that the activity be something you want to do, and something that is challenging (with lots of potential for you to improve and grow) while not being so hard it’s frustrating and unpleasant; and having clear goals––my goal is to get better at this, and my next step is to try such and such. People can experience flow in all sorts of work, craft and art, and mental activity: knitting, fishing, fixing a car, playing music, doing puzzles, reading, learning something new, you name it. Think of a kid putting together a model airplane or choosing to practice something over and over. It’s basic to the human brain, but is pushed away by stress, time pressure, worry, and so on. Get back to it at times and for that time it can push away pain and stress, and give you a little feeling of control and of life being worth living in spite of pain. Things that have worked for me include reading, doing online research, bird-watching and other outdoor interests, writing, good conversation, watching movies, and drawing or painting (in which my goal is to get better, and considering where I started that is no problem! but it’s okay, I see little improvements and I enjoy the process itself, which is key).
Some kinds of pain respond to mild exercise, which can produce endorphins, distract the mind, and tone the body so it supports movement with a bit less pain. Go slow and be determined. There’s increasing research to show that chronic pain often causes depression, and depression can be treated. If you are carrying pain around every day, that doesn’t mean you also have to carry around depression. And, it’s possible to use some opioids like codeine off and on, just when the pain is worst.
Keep learning about your condition, keep asking questions, keep trying positive things that might help even a little.
None of this is meant to minimize pain, tell you to wish it away, or imply that you “should” be able to control it better than you are. Pain is real. Until people live with chronic pain they don’t realize how draining it is, mentally and physically.
But. As the saying goes, “Every day above ground is a good day,” and it is possible to make (almost) every day better.
Footnote
(1) For example, Finding Flow: The Psychology of Engagement with Everyday Life. Your library probably has some of his books, or do a websearch and read an article or two. Some lectures of his are online here.

Image above: Methadone molecule, from 3dchem.com

39 responses so far ↓
Catherine Fidler // Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 2:06 am |
MY DAUGHTERS BOYFRIEND TAKES METHADONE, AND HAS BEEN FOR MANY YEARS. NOW HE’S TAKING MORPHINE SHOTS AS WELL. WHEN HE RUNS OUT OF HIS METHADONE PILLS HE BECOMES AN EXTREME BUTTHEAD. IS THIS A WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOM?
nosleepingdog // Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 3:59 pm |
@Catherine Fidler,
Catherine,
Well, withdrawal can make you jumpy & nervous, sleepless, impatient, selfish, basically only interested in getting drugs to feel “normal” again. So yes, it could make him act like an extreme butthead.
But what’s the deal with him taking methadone AND getting (giving himself??) morphine shots too? Is this through a pain doctor? Pain docs usually prescribe morphine as extended release tablets for chronic pain; injections would be for those in hospital or with an implanted morphine pump. The combination of morphine and methadone is dangerous: they are both opioids and would have a combined reaction that may include stopping the person’s breathing. And of course both are addictive.
For these reasons it is very surprising to hear of someone (not in the hospital or terminally ill) being prescribed both of these powerful drugs. If he is just buying this stuff and using it then you and your daughter have bigger worries than his being a butthead sometimes. Those worries would include the boyfriend dying, becoming violent as a result of withdrawal and drug-induced mental problems, committing crimes to get street drugs, and being arrested. If he’s arrested your daughter could easily find herself in trouble with the law also. She could easily get into using drugs with him, too.
nosleepingdog
nick // Monday, July 13, 2009 at 2:40 pm |
Hi, are you the one who wrote the lengthy article on methadone, and used morphine to quit? If you are, could you please email me, when I find out you are the one who wrote it, I will email you with what’s happening. Thanks so much for the informative article. Nick
nosleepingdog // Wednesday, July 15, 2009 at 7:31 am
Nick,
Just post your news here, so others interested can see it too.
Thanks,
nosleepingdog
nick // Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 9:55 am |
Hi
in your long post, you stated, I believe that you went off methadone the first day you saw the new pain dr., oct? and in feb. you quit methadone, gradually decreasing over the 4 months or so. In you post to, I think Sandy,? you state that you were on morphine for 3 or 4 weeks, if I read it correctly. This is a big difference, can you clarify which is correct and I read it wrong, I apologize.
I am taking morphine now, taking meth., 2.5 or so mgs per day with it, this is the 4th day i have been down to this low amount of methadone. my thought is to quit the methadone completely in another 3 or so days. not feeling the greatest, but better than when i tried to quit methadone a few years ago without any help. made it for 32 days and sick every day. thanks for any help you may have. nick
nick // Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 9:57 am
sorry, in my last post, i meant you stopped the morphine, i put methadone. so where it says feb., it should state morphine. sorry! nick
nosleepingdog // Friday, September 18, 2009 at 9:41 am
Nick,
I’m sorry I hadn’t checked comments and replied to you sooner.
The time when I went off methadone, 2 years ago, was a blur, and now I wish I had kept notes about the specifics. The best recollection my husband and I have is that I was on the morphine for about 6 weeks (having stopped the methadone the day I started the morphine). I cannot remember for sure if I then went off the morphine all at once or gradually; I do remember the doctor saying that given the size of the dose, and the relatively short period, it would be easy to stop it. And of course, compared to getting off methadone, everything else is apparently easier!
This is probably too late to be of any assistance to you and again I apologize. I hope it is going well and by way of encouragement I’ll add that getting off methadone for pain was one of the best things I ever did. Even after two years I think I’m still gaining mental and physical strength compared to the ten years on methadone. This despite getting older and not doing any regular exercise routine. For me, there were no pain relief benefits to the methadone by the time I began trying to quit it; others with different types of chronic pain will have that to deal with when they quit taking methadone, so they will have face a different situation than I have.
theblindsalesman // Tuesday, September 30, 2008 at 10:57 am |
Re: Catherine’s comment, Burroughs, a more practical investigator into the effects of opioids than say the pleasure dome dude or some chase the dragon hipster, intimates that opium may be a parasitic plant that inhabits the host until it is reduced to a plant itself until exhausted. It is the nature of parasites to exhaust their hosts, like hag fish or tape worms. So, if boyfriend is a butthead without a confection of both synthetic and natural wit inhibitors then he is a butthead, plain and simple. Keep a close eye on your valuables – they be slipping right away. If the kid wants to be compost he can arrange the meeting himself. If he doesn’t, the pusher will.
Lisa Pfistner // Saturday, April 4, 2009 at 8:10 pm |
I have been searching the internet for the last year hoping to find any answer to my problem. I have had severe back pain for years. Doctors have tried everything but surgery. I have been on methadone for two years, they just keep uping the dose everytime I complain of more pain. I have begged to be taken off of methadone because I have felt the horrible withdraw symptoms that they claim are not bad.
My family doctor will not help me go off of it, he claims all or nothing. I feel like you are the only person who knows my pain. Any advice will help?
sandy // Sunday, April 5, 2009 at 9:11 pm |
Thanks for your input. I have a cousin that has been on this for a long time for fibro…but she is loosing her family etc. because it is taking her life over. I appreciate your information. She is in the addict mindset right now. We might have to do an intervention .
nosleepingdog // Monday, April 6, 2009 at 9:38 am |
Hi Lisa,
If you are still in pain despite methadone, then it doesn’t justify the effects of the methadone, in my opinion. Family practitioners are not pain specialists. Mine got her info from my first pain doc (the evil one!), both saying that withdrawal was all in my head.
Find a good pain specialist in your area. Possible sources of referrals are another doc you trust, or a sympathetic pharmacist—they know who is prescribing what, and hear a lot from patients. Do not sign on with a doctor who makes you feel weak or guilty or that you are an addict. You are trying to get better, willing to do something hard to get there, and you deserve support and help.
For me the pain specialist prescribed morphine for 3 or 4 weeks, just replacing the methadone with the morphine, to help with the withdrawal, and also gave me sleep medication and was ready to give me Xanax (for mental distress, extreme nervousness) if needed but I did not need it. I was weak and slept nearly all day for 2 weeks, then gradually came out of it, but never had the excruciating bone pain and mental distress that I had trying to get off without help. With the morphine and sleep meds I slept, rather than staying up for a week straight as when I tried it on my own. And I had confidence that this doctor was ready to help if things got unbearable; there IS symptomatic relief to help you through withdrawal.
Getting off the methadone is step 1 with the pain doc, then step 2 is figuring out how best to control your pain. For my particular back pain, what worked was a nerve block that silenced the pinched nerves temporarily so that I could move normally and do exercises to strengthen and unclench muscles that had been knotted up for 15 years. But no telling what will be right for your problem. Often from what I hear a combination of things helps: learning how to move better, and what to avoid; just the right exercise (in the water perhaps); relaxation techniques; muscle relaxants for a period of time; non-addictive drugs like marijuana, which is legal in my state for medical purposes. There are those who think exercise and relaxation can cure these things all by themselves, I do not agree, but they can definitely help. Some pain patients need opioids, but I think methadone is worse than the others, and the pain doctor told me that too. Methadone is cheap so it gets prescribed a lot.
When you can get help to stop the methadone, I bet you will then feel like you can tackle the back pain, feel more positive and in control. Methadone really saps your spirit.
You can do it! let me know how it goes.
nosleepingdog // Monday, April 6, 2009 at 10:10 am |
Hi Sandy,
It’s good that you are concerned about your cousin, and looking for information. Be sure to keep in mind the difference between the chronic pain patient and the addict. Chronic pain patients can act like addicts, 1) because their pain is not being adequately controlled so they keep trying to get relief, 2) because they fear the loss of the medication so they hoard, try to get more, etc., and 3) because of the personality changes caused by both constant pain and the drug (methadone in this case). This does not mean that the patient is an addict, however, and treating them like one will make them resist even more, and misdirect your attention.
The pain patient wants relief. There are other methods besides opioids, although for fibromyalgia the other methods may not work too well. I myself tried 2 drugs approved for fm, which are supposed to lessen pain for some (Lyrica and Cymbalta) and neither worked. With Lyrica, I had to take such a high dose that it sedated me way too much. There is now a third drug approved just this year, Savella (milnacipran); it should be available now or very soon, although most doctors probably do not know about it.
Your cousin first needs to know that her family takes her illness seriously. This is conveyed in how people talk to her, whether they remember how she may be feeling even though, as people always tell us, “You look fine!” And whether people close to her try to give the help they can, whether it is her spouse or children taking responsibility for some of the family’s work/driving/housework, or giving her a ride if she is too tired to drive, etc.
If she feels people discount her illness, or don’t believe in it, then she is not going to be receptive to conversations about what the methadone is doing to her life. Before I ever took any pain meds for fm, I watched my life seem to vanish before my eyes: I gave up everything that was optional, only the mandatory stuff remained and I still felt like a wreck and a failure. Finally I had gone to 3 days a week at my job, and the other 4 days were not enough for me to rest up from 3 days of work. Other people had energy to go out to eat with friends on their Friday night; at the end of my 4 days off I did not have that energy.
It is not surprising that people with fm, and other severe chronic illnesses, get depressed—anyone would under such circumstances! So there is a question to look at: is your cousin being treated effectively for depression? Some anti-depressants are popularly prescribed for fm because they are associated with a reduction in reported pain, but they may not reduce the depression, since anti-depressants are different with different people. The anti-depressant I finally ended up on helps me not go into black moods where everything seems hopeless and pointless, but does not do anything for my pain. I have to cope with the pain by other means I have evolved: there are a lot of physical things I cannot do or can only do for a few minutes; I try though to keep as active as I can, use it or lose it! inactivity can just worsen things; I keep regular sleeping hours, take naps when I need them, pace myself, know that I have about 3 good hours a day (beyond the time taken for such activities as bathing, feeding the dog, washing the dishes after my husband cooks). I find things that take my mind off how I feel—reading, music, writing—and use time spent in those activities as relief. If I lived close to town I would probably try to get in some time in a pool, one with warm water if possible, because that is a relaxing and no-impact way to keep the blood flowing and the muscles working.
I don’t mean to go on and on, here. My main points are to try and understand what your cousin is going through; present positive options rather than a confrontation about methadone use; let her know she is not in a corner (“the only thing that helps me is methadone” or “getting off methadone will be awful and no one will help me”); help her find a good pain doctor who’ll help her through withdrawal and will then explore other pain-relief options. My answer to another commenter, above, gives a few suggestions about finding help to get off of methadone—it is harder to get off of than heroin. That is what my 2nd pain doctor told me, and while I know nothing about heroin, I know that withdrawing from methadone without supportive medication was flat out impossible.
You might be interested in looking at two other posts I have done, one about fibromyalgia itself
http://nosleepingdogs.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/fibromyalgia-a-personal-overview/
and the other one about the difference between addicts and pain patients
http://nosleepingdogs.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/dr-houses-writers-betray-pain-patients/
Good luck with this and good for you for being willing to help your cousin.
Heather Hickerson // Tuesday, May 5, 2009 at 7:01 am |
Your post was so informative. I have been in pain for 4 1/2 years and I still don’t have a solid diagnosis. My neurologist has thought that it may be everything from Lupus, MS, and fibromyalgia to “idiopathic brachial neuritis”. That basically means that they don’t know why I am having the pain that I do. It basically feels like someone is holding a blow torch on my back 24/7. Anyway, just yesterday I got an email from my doctor responding on one I sent to her about not being able to tolerate the most recent prescription that she gave to me. She is now suggesting Methadone. I didn’t even realize it was a medication that was used for any reason other than helping heroin (and other drug) addicts get off the drug. I have not yet responded to her email as I like to research things for myself. That’s how I came across your post. You’ve given me much to think about. Thank you for sharing your story.
Bianca // Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 3:53 am |
Thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou!!! I wish I could have read this before agreeing to methadone treatment. Just out of chance I decided last evening that enough was enough. After a lot of soul searching I decided I wanted to be drug free. I’m 24, been “properly medicated for pain” (yet still in loads of pain every day) since I was 14. I have taken methadone for a few years now. And I was diagnosed with FMS approx 2 yrs ago. Your information has been a great help to me. It’s wonderful to know I have done some things right! Any advice for non-drug ways of lessening the effects of withdrawl?
Much love and appreciation
Bianca
nosleepingdog // Tuesday, June 2, 2009 at 5:51 pm |
Hi Bianca,
I’m really glad you got some useful info from my post!
you asked,
“Any advice for non-drug ways of lessening the effects of withdrawal?”
Other than getting enough sleep (which for me was about 20 hours a day for the first week or so), no. I had tried on my own, as I described, and what helped me succeed finally was drugs—the month of morphine to lessen the terrible withdrawal pain and let me sleep; I think I also had sleeping pills, maybe klonopine, for the later weeks when sleep was hard. You may need anti-depressants or something like that. The pain doc I saw was up on all that and ready to give me the temporary help of appropriate drugs. Seems wrong, maybe, to use more drugs to get off of one drug, but sure worked for me!
My pain now is fibromyalgia and nothing has helped that (new drugs have been approved and I guess help some but not me) but I am happier with some pain than ever with the methadone!
Find a good doc!
Let me know how it goes.
Lulu // Friday, June 19, 2009 at 7:35 pm |
An extraordinary service you have provided, beautifully written. What a good soul. Thank you so much. At this moment I am too tired to say more than thank you, continue with your good works and God Bless.
Sincerely,
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Lynn Bee // Wednesday, July 1, 2009 at 9:36 am |
Bless you for sharing your story. There is a huge difference between true chronic pain sufferers and phony “pill poppers”. Those who pretend to suffer, or greatly inflate their pain to get meds, have so destroyed the medical system for those who require pain management. Shame, shame on you it you are one of those frauds. I sparingly use pain meds for a debilitating condition. I have access to more; however, I know there is no free ride. This blog gives an absolutely true account of drug use. Your physical body does not differ from abuse or need. You will go through withdrawl regardless. Psychological withdrawl is addiction.
I do not get high on pain medication. I only know I am on it because my pain starts going away. My personality stays the same; no euphoria. As far as I am concerned, the best pain med is Advil. The only reason why, after 15 years, I had to start taking pain meds was due to the fact I needed too much Advil, and there was a concern about it damaging my kidneys and/or liver. I thinks my willingness to try something else for so long went a long way with my doctor when I finally had to take something else. I had been under her care for that length of time so she knew I was being truthful. The one good thing about chronic pain: it feels like Christmas morning on those days I don’t have it!
Lulu // Wednesday, July 1, 2009 at 1:03 pm |
Dear Lynn Bee:
Shame on you for lashing out at the sick and suffering from your soapbox of thick ignorance on the nature of addiction, the pain industry and the roller coaster suffering of others. Try informing yourself before blaming and shaming others. There’s something wonderful awaiting those who seek knowledge and experience: wisdom. Sure there are those who scam and lie and cheat. But your self righteous indignation is no less a crime. Watch that halo doesn’t slip and choke you.
nosleepingdog // Saturday, July 4, 2009 at 9:50 am |
Lulu,
Easy there, I think we can all relate to Lynn Bee’s feelings about the effect on pain patients, of those who are purely seeking the drugs for reasons other than physical pain. Because of our country’s hysteria about drug use, the reaction to these folks make it harder for the rest of us.
[There's a typo in LB's 4th sentence, ". Shame, shame on you it you are one of those frauds. " which at first read to me as if she thought I was "one of those frauds", but I think the "it" should be an "if".]
But even though the people who are addicts make our lives harder, and threaten doctors who do good pain management through stirring up witch hunts, we pain patients need to extend compassion to the addicts also. Nobody sets out to become an opioid addict. Lots of factors contribute to people becoming addicts from the consumer-based society created by advertising, to social dislocation and family breakups.
Those of us who have used opioids and become physically dependent on them know better than most just what a hell it is, once your body has acquired that habit.
matthew // Wednesday, July 22, 2009 at 1:11 pm |
Wow. Fantastic post on your experience with opioids–thanks so much for taking the time to share that.
maddie // Wednesday, July 22, 2009 at 7:14 pm |
Bravo. Your article smacked the nail right on the head. I could have written it myself. I am in the care of ‘one of THOSE’ physicians. I expect a call everyday from her advising me that she is’uncomfortable’ prescribing to me.
Needless to say, I have 10 years of ‘proof of pain’, so her attitude baffles me.
My once wonderful pain doctor left the state because he felt he couldn’t help his patients like he wanted to. As a result my present doctor ‘inherited’ me. I know she wishes I would disappear.
Because of this, and other experiences with pain medication management, (travel, fear of losing medication etc.) I have been thinking about weening myself off of Avinza (morphine).
After reading your post, I think I may just give it a try.
kelly p. // Sunday, August 9, 2009 at 10:54 pm |
Dear nosleepingdog,
I am so happy that I stumbled upon your website. I have been taking methadone for chronic pain for about 5 months and was VERY reluctant to begin b/c I have heard of the horrible side effects when trying to get off of methadone. However, with my doctor’s consistent urging and my nagging pain, I gave in. It has worked for my pain, but I do not like many of the side effects, so I am thinking that it is time to get off of it now. One very strange thing that has happened since around the time I started taking methadone is that I began spotting/bleeding vaginally throughout the month. I went to see my doc several times and after pap smear results and other tests, everything appears to be normal. But why this frequent bleeding and why so tender?? I have thought it must be tied to the methadone all along. After reading your post, I am convinced that the methadone is to blame. I hope to hear a reply from you so I know that you might be able to offer advice as time passes. You’ve already helped me so much. Thank you and take very good care…
nosleepingdog // Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 9:55 am |
Hi Kelly,
You’re the first person I’ve come across who reports that same symptom, vaginal tenderness & bleeding, associated with methadone. I would never have thought the 2 might be connected except for the dramatic improvement soon after I went off the drug (and nothing else had changed). And now, nearly two years after quitting methadone, I am still experiencing improvement; the occasional bleeding during sex quit almost at once, the severe pain got less and less, and and now I am pain-free in that department! It is not something one talks about much, I mentioned it to my gynecologist and she ruled out other worse causes but had no real recommendations. Maybe lots of women on methadone experience it and it just is not reported.
I also can say that even now I continue gradually to feel better, in terms of mental clarity and overall energy, and that *may* be slow recovery from nearly ten years of methadone. No way to prove it. Fibromyalgia-related fatigue and problems with memory, concentration, mental energy, have not gone away but every few months I notice that I feel a little better in those regards than previously. As I get older I am grateful for even small improvements!
I wish you the best in your efforts, getting off the methadone and then finding other ways to deal with pain. I hope that it may be much easier since you have only been taking it for 5 months. But definitely do have an experienced & sympathetic doctor ready to assist you. Your doctor may feel you can simply taper off gradually and then go off of it, and that may work after only 5 months of use, but be sure he or she is committed to helping you if you find it too hard to do on your own. The 3 or 4 weeks of morphine that my 2nd pain doc gave me when I went off the methadone made it possible for me, and I know from previous attempts I could not have simply “toughed it out”. Then I stopped the morphine, no problem.
Lois // Friday, August 14, 2009 at 7:39 pm |
Thank you for sharing your story. I do not suffer from FM but from a deteriorating situation involving a bum foot, the arthritic opposite hip, an adult-acquired scoliosis (guarding an originally ‘minor’ spinal injury) which feeds into the hip/foot problems, and assorted other spinal maladies. I’m hopeful of a coordinated approach to care that may finally bring some degree of resolution to all, later this year. Meanwhile, my PCP has advanced me over the past several years, through vicodin, dilaudid, now to methadone, as the symptoms (P-A-I-N!) and visible damage have increased and I have found I can no longer ‘manage’ – nor do I want to just manage, in a life now so restricted. Anyhow…I especially appreciated your mention of dreaming. That’s the one side-effect that I have noticed here in just the first few weeks taking methadone…a conviction that I am indeed, still dreaming (at least I’m getting an almost acceptable amount of sleep now) — but cannot remember any single aspect of any dream I might have had. Sleep had gone from being my refuge from the pain, in years past, to being made almost impossible by the pain itself. Now, with the methadone, I can sleep…but I have no knowledge of my dreams. It was at least reassuring, in that “misery loves company” way, to learn that I am not alone in my experience. I thought there was something wrong with me…besides all that known stuff, of course, LOL! Thank you again for sharing. I wish you well…literally.
nosleepingdog // Sunday, August 16, 2009 at 1:42 pm |
Lois and others,
Good luck with your new approach. Maybe a pain specialist rather than a primary care physician, too?
It’s great that doctors are taking chronic pain more seriously; now we need to push for a wider range of approaches instead of so much reliance on opioids. There must be some for who the side effects of long-term methadone use are worth the reduction in pain, but there are many of whom that is not true. Then we have to beware of the pendulum going back the other way, as proponents of non-drug approaches can slide off into telling us, in effect, that positive thinking will do it and if it’s not working we’re not thinking positively enough!
As an aside, I live in one of the 13 states where medical marijuana is legal, and it seems to help quite a few people with intractable pain. Doesn’t work for me, but it may be worth a try.
kelly p. // Friday, August 14, 2009 at 10:22 pm |
Thanks for the reply nosleepingdog. I feel so blessed to have you as a support. I feel that the greatest accomplishment I will have survived is getting off of pain medication, once I am finally able to! I don’t expect it to be easy, but I certainly have the expectation that I won’t have to do it alone.
I was prescribed Vicodin/Norco for 3-4 years and several times I tried various ways to get off of the medication: weaning, going cold turkey, “toughing it out.” Each time the horrible, impossible effects of the withdrawl brought me back. That is why I AM CERTAIN that I cannot get off the methadone without support. And, as I mentioned before in the earlier post, the methadone has helped with my chronic pain, but I find it extremely difficult to enjoy the relief from pain because in the back of my mind is the haunting realization that without this drug ever 6 or so hours, I will be in a WORLD of pain and hurt. Freedom from chemical addiction is now more important to me than freedom from chronic pain. That being said, I have created a large support group that consists of: massage therapist, chiropractor, acupuncturist, therapist, friends with FM and chronic pain. I am lucky to have good medical insurance with my husband’s work; however, we don’t eat out or take trips of any kind…all of the extra money goes to medical bills and copays at this point. I feel like my spirit is strong and my body is stronger than ever before because of my support system and my higher power. I am just still so terrified to tell my doctor that I want to get off of the methadone b/c when getting on it she said there wouldn’t be a problem with getting me off of it when my pain was being managed. Yesterday I decided to skip a dose of methadone…within a couple hours of the missed dose, i felt miserable physically, emotionally, spiritually. Within a half an hour of the next dose, I felt normal again. Thankfully, I tried this with plenty of medication left.
The good thing is that my Doc, although seemingly misinformed or uninformed off the negative effects of opioid medication, is still an open-minded doctor who seems willing to try new things. I am preparing to go to her with my plan to get off of the methadone. Before I do, rest assured I will have several back up options for doctors who are open to treating me during the detoxification process.
Thank you again, all of you, but especially you, nosleepingdog. I’ll be in touch…
nosleepingdog // Sunday, August 16, 2009 at 1:46 pm |
Sounds like you have put together a great team!
So, your doctor is another who is “seemingly misinformed or uninformed of the negative effects of opioid medication”—like my former pain doc and my former primary care physician. There must be one of those “gaps” at medical school, like the ones about nutrition, care of the elderly, etc.
kelly p. // Monday, August 17, 2009 at 9:40 am |
Yes, or maybe certain doctors develop selective memory loss when the pharmaceutical companies give them “incentives” to use their products. Not too long ago I heard that the physicians were getting paid to use the drug manufacturers products…does anyone know any thing more about that? It sure would explain why doctors where I live are very quick to prescribe opiates. It’s disturbing how cheap it is to get a prescription for narcotic medication versus how much it costs to treat pain and injuries with alternative medicine, homeopathy, etc.
nosleepingdog // Sunday, August 30, 2009 at 9:05 am |
kelly p., regarding doctors getting paid to prescribe certain medications—-
I did a quick search on this topic (not thorough!) but found some information. It mostly relates to various “considerations” given doctors, and hospitals, for prescribing the drugs that are under patent and so very profitable for the companies. This generally does not include generic versions. As I recall my methadone was generic and very cheap; the time-release morphine I took for a while, was not generic. Things like Fentanyl patches, which I also used for a while, are extremely expensive. So the possibility that doctors are receiving anything as an incentive to prescribe certain drugs depends entirely on the particular drug.
The “incentives” include a variety of things, including the very common practice of giving samples to doctors, which does enable them to help their patients (an altruistic motive) but also makes them look good to their patients, and promotes the continuing use of the drug that is given as a sample. A relatively few doctors receive “speaking fees” for professional appearances that I suppose might be to promote use of a certain drug, or might be more general in subject but the company can still pay them. I saw a psychiatrist once who was being paid to travel and speak to general practitioners about how to evaluate their patients for depression and how to choose one of the new “very safe” drugs to treat the depression. At the time it sounded like a genuine service since depression is common and few people see psychiatrists, but as more has come out about effects of anti-depressants, and potential for inappropriate subscribing, I have seen it differently.
Payments for clinical trials are another possible type of incentive, and no doubt range from simple payment of expenses, to larger padded payments. The big threat here clearly is that the clinic/hospital/doctor have a financial incentive not to report results in a way that makes the drug look bad.
Here are some articles turned up in my brief search, including one about Vermont where under Gov. Howard Dean (an MD) a unique law was passed requiring disclosure of most of these “incentives”. Also one reference to a law under consideration in Congress to ban companies with drugs about to go out of patent, from paying off other companies not to market generics! Not sure as to status of that.
Health care reform, anyone?
News Analysis: Vermont Law Sheds Light On Big Pharma Payouts | North America > United States from AllBusiness.com
http://www.allbusiness.com/marketing-advertising/branding-brand-development/4692681-1.html
Psychiatrists Received Biggest Chunk of Pharmaceutical Company Payoffs, Vermont Study Finds
http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2008/psychiatrists-received.html
Jeff Matthews Is Not Making This Up: Legal Payoffs in Healthcare, but Who’s Complaining?
http://jeffmatthewsisnotmakingthisup.blogspot.com/2009/08/legal-payoffs-in-healthcare-but-whos.html
New Law Would Outlaw Payoffs to Keep Cheaper Generic Drugs Off the Market — Attorney At Law
http://www.attorneyatlaw.com/2009/02/new-law-would-outlaw-payoffs-to-keep-cheaper-generic-drugs-off-the-market/
speedyrs&cs // Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 2:21 pm |
Thanks for your informative article. My mother has FM and chronic back pain. She has been on methodone for awhile. She just had a car accident and had 3 surgeries. They are still trying to find the right pain meds. I appreciated all of your honesty about what you went through.
nosleepingdog // Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 3:17 pm |
speedyrs&cs,
My heart goes out to your mom! I hope she can find an effective treatment for the back problem, then she will be in a better position to evaluate whether the methadone helps her fibromyalgia at all. It’s good that she has your support!
SteveK // Thursday, October 29, 2009 at 10:19 pm |
Hmmmm I dunno Methadone weems to work for me; I don’t really need more of it over a long time; This maybe due to individual variations; I have never tried to “kill to zero” my pain and am just happy when it happens; Of course the cause of my pain shows up in blinding bright blue on x-rays so there is no real problem of saying this caused it.
I tired and exahusted all the non-pharm “natural” fixes for my pain. ALthough the use of the word “natural” in this case because the standard opiates come from nature via a plant!
I was originally on Duragesic which worked very well. I have in the past had acute repeating pain from kidney stones and got dependent on oxycodone but broke vfrom that with moderate effort; It was after the pain from degenerating joints on my left side became chronic and trying every new age “natural” trick that I decide oh well pharmacuetical pain relief might be better. Celebrex and Bextra did nothingand were expensive. After I got to the point where I couldn’t work that everything went downhill and I started drinking heavily which I had never done before. I had reasoned that one does not have to have atrgue with someone at the package store if one wants a 6 pack of beer.
I tried and tried all the distraction stuff an new age modalities and found they just didn’t work for me Anyway after a big disaster I was put on Duragesic by a surgeon at the hospital and it worked so well that the Psych where I was shipped off too for about a week thought that I was depressed because of pain and pained because of depression.
I was switched to Methadone and found it worked about 70% to 85% as well as Duragesic. I needed no “breakthrough fast acting opiates such as oxycodone” . With methadone I do; I find Methadone easy to adjust up and down and curously if one likes the pleasant effects less is oddly more, because for me above 60mg a day the pleasnt effects go away.
This is all very curious to me how people can come at things from very different places. It maybe that we live in a “one size fits almost all” society.
I agree people should read uop and consider what they are doing if they go onto chronic opiod use of any kind. Being physically dependent is a big change. One has to consider is it worth it. In one’s heqart of hearts I think opne will find the answer.
By the way testing the waters I found that Methadone withdrawl is milder than other opiate withdrawl but the idea that it goes on for 3 to 6month is not cheering. N.B. It took me 4weeks to break free of Hydrocodone and Oxycodone dependence and that was doable but I did not have chronic pain at that point.I might try to break from Methadone if the pain would go away but it’s the pain that keep me using methadone at a mean done of 50-60mg a day, good periods 20-30mg/day and bad periods 80-90mg a day; After about 70mg?? every day for me the pleasant effects go away and then I lose the signal I have always depende on. Which is take enough so you feel it but don’t get blasted. But oddly for me the closest thing to a stable dose, going in early, no cutting down on my activities came from Duragesic 50mcg/hr change every days pain patch and I was stable on that for 4 years.
The sad thing is if I were rich I would probably get put on Duragesic again as it it was the best and did it’s job and didn’t get ion the way. N.B. I got neither constipation nor reduction in sex drive on Duragesic and I woke most morning glad to be alive which was something I had lost when all the pain came around….
Have Fun,
Sends Steve
dingbatqueen // Saturday, October 31, 2009 at 3:25 pm |
Hello, thanks for your wonderful story – it made me feel like perhaps I will have hope for some semblance of a life (which I don’t have now). I have been on 240 mg. of Methadone a day (I take eight 10 mg. pills, 3x a day) — a dosage which I’m told is very high and always seems to be higher than everyone else’s. I have a very high tolerance to pain meds — it takes alot to have any effect of my pain. Even at this outrageous amount, I am nearly always in constant pain. I suffer from several chronic diseases — too many to list — but I think that I could have a near-normal lifespan if not for all these drugs. I also take Lorazepam for muscle spams and quite a bit of Fioricet for daily migraines. My pain management doctor has me ‘over a barrel’ and knows it, doesn’t take me very seriously and frequently mentions dropping me as a patient if I don’t ‘comply’. I can’t even apply for state medical aid or I’ll be dropped (and I can’t work anymore and am dead-broke). I have worn out my welcome by borrowing from loved ones and my self-esteem has vanished. I think about suicide every day, several times a day. I want my life back!!!! I don’t know if it’s possible, where I can start, or how to get enough energy to even my myself presentable enough to leave the house. My energy level is at about a 1 and I am extremely depressed. Every other so-called ‘pain management doctor’ in my area just gives injectables and doesn’t prescribe pain meds (not that I want more of THEM). Many times I’ve considered going to the state psyche hospital but am in terrible fear that they would only induce a cold turkey withdrawal, and death seems a MUCH better choice if given one. Do you think that I have a chance for a ‘normal’ life again? I used to have a VERY good one until I made a very stupid choice. Thanks again for your post – I know it has helped many.
nosleepingdog // Sunday, November 1, 2009 at 2:59 pm |
dingbatqueen,
There is always hope. Human beings are very strong, and can make changes!
That is a high dose of methadone, and it is bound to be affecting your energy level, mood, and lots else in your mind and body. Also, if you are still feeling a lot of pain you’re getting all the negatives from the drug without, perhaps, enough relief to make it worth while. You didn’t say what the pain condition was (if there’s more, in addition to muscle spasms and migraines, not that those aren’t plenty!); getting a clear idea of the cause(s) of the pain is necessary. Only then can you explore other pain treatment options.
The other necessary thing is even harder, finding a competent pain doctor that you can work with. One who threatens you does not fit that description, obviously, yet I know it is difficult to find good pain doctors, and very scary to change. I worried for years about looking like a “doctor-shopper” or drug seeker. My pharmacist was a good resource because he knew who was prescribing what and talked to a lot of patients in the course of his work. Another doctor also helped me find the right pain doc. If you can get a line on a better doctor, it would be worth going some distance for a complete evaluation of all your pain sources and medications.
As another commenter, SteveK, notes, methadone can work well for some people, even be their best choice, I cannot deny that. But every person’s situation is different: what causes their pain, how bad it is, and how it responds.In addition to individual differences, there are others: I have seen research indicating that men and women differ in their pain receptor systems so that drugs that work mostly on one type of receptor relieve men’s pain much better than women’s pain. A drug now approved for fibromyalgia pain, Lyrica (a form of pregabalin) evidently works for some people but for me I was way too sedated before any relief began.
So my view is that pain treatment is highly individualized. I’m glad that methadone works for some people, but that doesn’t mean it’s best for you or me specifically.
SteveK had no success with “all the distraction stuff and new age modalities” ; still, they may work for some people especially in addition to another conventional treatment. If I’m in severe pain then I doubt that relaxation and imagery are going to help, but if the pain is reduced by some other means, all that “distraction stuff” may help me deal with the remaining pain, or alter my attitude so I can gradually expand my activities, and that can help a lot.
But back to your situation—right now you are feeling pretty trapped, with a threatening doctor and the risk of losing even that if you apply for state medical aid. Yet I believe that in most states there are now laws requiring pain doctors to either continue treating you, or make other arrangements. Information is power. Without it you are likely to be on a downhill path. Try to find out about what options there may be: support groups for chronic pain or various conditions may be a source of information about a better doctor, pain treatment options, about what the state medical plan can and cannot do for you, about getting social security disability (which comes with Medicare). Organizations such as those that help disabled people, as well as people with mental health problems like being suicidal due to pain, may be another thing to try, as they deal with all these issues. And at this point you are disabled—we hope it is not permanent, but until something changes, you really are disabled. Make a list of possible people/places to ask for help and information, then sit down with the phone book and start. Hospitals can often tell you about support groups and agencies.
Keep focussed on your goals, don’t get sidetracked on just telling people your story—you want forward progress toward change, not just sympathy.
Of course, the web can be a good source too. I found a scoliosis support group for a relative, googling “scoliosis support, Town, State”. Then it was up to her to make the call, find time to go, listen to the people there and decide who might have useful experience, useful suggestions. And then keep going, toward her goal of pain treatment without spine surgery.
It may seem like a huge task and it comes when you are at a low ebb of energy and everything else. But you need to do this for yourself and it won’t get easier by waiting. You need to know more about your choices, find the right people to assist you, and stay with it. Make a list, decide what you are going to first, then next, etc. Do something on it every day. If you do, you’ll begin feeling you are making some progress and that will help you keep going.
If you can make some other small commitments to yourself, like “Everyday I will get out and walk around the block (or just down the sidewalk a little way)”, something that represents a positive change no matter how small, and keep it up, that too will strengthen you. I went to a fibromyalgia event once where a nurse was telling people to walk and do stretching exercises, and some people said they couldn’t even walk half a block. She replied, “Can you walk around your kitchen table? Good, then start with that!”
You know you are in a bad situation, and staying there is really not an option—things will get worse. So resolve to be your own best friend and do some things every day that help your plan, that make you a bit stronger, that give you a bit of joy. Keep in mind your goal, and maybe keep a record of what you do to get closer to it, again a way to remind yourself and reward yourself about progress made. Even an unproductive phone call is action, is better than not making a call. So, you did that call, now you can do another, try another possibility.
Let us know how you’re doing!
dingbatqueen // Saturday, October 31, 2009 at 3:29 pm |
Just a P.S. on my post — at my present dosage I don’t feel any ‘high’ and still have trouble sleeping at night (mostly due to pain). One would think that I sleep all of the time but I don’t. As I mentioned, it seems to take higher doeses to have an effect on my body. Just an FYI in case anyone thinks that I must sleep all of the time.
kelly p. // Saturday, October 31, 2009 at 8:44 pm |
Dear dingbatqueen,
This is not the author responding to your post, which you have probably gathered by the name, but I am another person who also has made posts. Because of doing so, I receive emails anyone makes a post, which is how I was able to read yours. I wish I could help answer your question in regards to whether or not you would be taken off your meds cold turkey if you went into a psychiatric hospital…hopefully nosleepingdog will have some more information in regards to that…she has been a blessing to many of us, including myself even if she doesn’t have all the answers.
I must say that I feel for you, so very much. It sounds like you are in a very painful place. I am also on methadone and have been for about 8 months. I take 50-60 mg of methadone daily along with an antidepressant, celexa (20 mg a day). I don’t have anywhere near the pain issues you do and so methadone has worked for my pain. But I have suffered from major depression and alcoholism and addiction for several years, prior to getting clean almost a year ago. December 24th, 2009 I will have one year!
What I did in early December of last year was hit my rock bottom. I won’t go into too many details, but I knew I needed help and I, too, was too terrified to go into a hospital. I am lucky to be covered under my husband’s health insurance, (although I believe many places will take you w/out insurance), so what I did is I looked in the phone book under counseling services, specifically addiction specialists. I found a place in town that I thought offered counseling services for addition (like one-on-one therapy) and I made an appointment to see someone right away. I was terrified and almost didn’t go, but thank God that I did. After an 1.5 hour intake, I was given the recommendation for outpatient treatment. –Keep in mind that I told them that I would have to continue my pain meds (norco was what i was taking at the time) because of my chronic neck pain and headaches, and they allowed me to do that because I was there voluntarily and not through the court system. I remember feeling very surprised that an outpatient treatment program would treat me even though I was taking narcotic medication daily…and admittedly abusing it. They told me that their goal would be to have me work on taking it as prescribed…that never happened, until I went on methadone — I have to mention that during this interview I was 100% honest about the questions they asked me. I have never been honest in situations like that before. I knew that if I was serious about getting the help I needed, that I would have to be as honest as I possibly could. And luckily God gave me a very cool counselor who i felt i connected with right away. :O) So, to recap, at the end of the interview it was recommended that I attend outpatient services. Actually, the counselor’s exact words were: “I believe that you would benefit the most from inpatient services, but I know your life makes it so that you are unable to commit to that at this time. I was never able to receive the GIFT of inpatient either, but outpatient I was, and I have been clean almost 9 years because of it.” I can remember leaving there that day with hope in my heart for the first time in a very long time. And so, this was the door which opened me to a new life full of hope, love, support and freedom from chronic pain and addiction! So much of our physical pain is made worst by our mental and spiritual state.
I share my story with you so that I may offer my experience, strength and hope. I don’t think you mentioned that you have issues with addiction, but the meds that we are put on are so strong and addictive that even if you aren’t an addict, you often and in many ways live the life of one. I wish the best for you and I believe that if you are willing to do what it takes and believe in a power greater than yourself, you will be able to live a new life…you have reached out and admitted that you are helpless. That is the first step in getting better. I will keep you in my prayers and I hope to hear from you again via post in the future…
Be blessed ~
-Kelly P.
nosleepingdog // Sunday, November 1, 2009 at 3:04 pm |
Kelly,
Thanks for this account of your experience! It helps others so much to hear from someone who has been through it, to know that “very difficult” does not equal “impossible”. And congratulations on your upcoming one-year anniversary, of being in control with your meds!
TJ // Wednesday, November 4, 2009 at 5:43 pm |
Dear nosleepingdog, I am a chronc pain paitient taking high doses of pain meds.
Not morphine but was had a provider try to put me in it. Have several issues as i was hit by a car years ago. I have been on pain meds since 1997. I have tmj (jaw joint problems. I had a joint replacement and then had it taken out . Right now I have
no joint on the right side of skull. My left side is scarred up. I need double jaw joint replacements. I also have knee problems and need a knee replacement, maybe 2.
I have nerve entrapment on the side of one leg. I also have had spinal sugery and have scarring(?) nerve damage)? and pain in legs and feet. I had a calcified stylomanbiular ligament removed. It goes from jaw to back of skull to jaw from going to far forward. That is enough. You get the picture. Maybe one of these conditions someone reading will relate. The Lord changed my life about 30 years ago in my livingroom while praying. So I would say prayer first above all. Then one day at a time.There is a very interesting article in the tmj letter talking about not addicted to pain meds but addicted to pain relief.
Don’t get the wrong Impression, I am not telling to run out and get pain meds. I want so much to be off but some of my pain is very intense. I am taking one day at a time with goals and the rest is in HIS
hands. It is very important in my opinion
to manage your health care as nobody is going to do it for you. I am in this place somewhat by dealing with the wrong docs etc. Thanks and blessings to all, TJ
TJ // Wednesday, November 4, 2009 at 6:06 pm |
I also wanted to add for the one that you mentioned about going on disability. It takes 2 years after you go on disability
to get medicare unless you are old enough for medicare anyway which means you would already have it. Thanks, TJ